Nabil Ayers is the U.S. General Manager for the record label 4AD. He's also a musician and a writer, and recently in the New York Times, Ayers published an interview with Ed Eckstine, who was the first Black person to be appointed head of a major label in the U.S. In this episode, Jay Gabler asks Ayers about that New York Times article and about the conversations happening in the music industry around Blackout Tuesday.